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Post by Biohazard Abyss on May 20, 2014 4:10:22 GMT -5
With the shoutbox's history being so small, figured a larger chat would be a better option due to how many active members we have. You can access this as of now, experimental chat room by following this link: us21.chatzy.com/63395871592335All that we ask if that you use your ACTUAL username or something similar to it, since we cannot identity who is who, if you change your username to something else on Chatzy. Give it a try, and we'll see how the crew thinks of it, and maybe it'll result in moving on from the shoutbox. UPDATE: You must register to Chatzy to be allowed to use the chatbox. Registering is quick and easy as all you need to do is have Chatzy email you the password to your account when registering. Then when you active your account you can change your password here: www.chatzy.com/user.htmOnly registered users are allowed as this will cut down on the trolling/spam. USE YOUR REAL USERNAME. If you come into the chatroom as something else, trying to play a joke you will be kicked from the room until you explain yourself. Just enjoy the chatroom how you're supposed to, no shenanigans. Thank you for your cooperation
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 6:17:34 GMT -5
Nice work Bio, looks like a good alternative for the time being
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Post by bluebird on May 20, 2014 7:17:35 GMT -5
good idea. I was just thinking of making thread that we needed a better version of a chat, was going to suggest a channel on a web based IRC but this works too.
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Post by Tismo on May 20, 2014 8:45:39 GMT -5
It won't let me in if I login but if I enter the chat room as a guest I go in fine,
login without assword seems to fix the issue.
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Post by DrAIR on May 20, 2014 11:36:00 GMT -5
yeah digging the new chatzy. Only problem is some might be on there and some on shoutbox. Thats why I thought the idea of a thread like we had on GTAF would've been good but its never gonna compete with the convenience of shoutbox and chatzy so Im happy with Chatzy as a happy medium for me personally.
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Post by o JEW AUDIO o on May 20, 2014 13:50:07 GMT -5
no me gusta.. bring back my forest green colored username
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Post by oMAXXIMUM RIDEo on May 21, 2014 9:32:48 GMT -5
I dunno about this, tbh. I understand many of you enjoy IMing, but there is, in fact, a limit to Chatzy as well. So our original issues still remain unsolved. Skype shows a history up to 6 months, but requires a second program on your computer. The forum allows for infinite history, so members can see what they've missed, but isn't instant like a shout box or Chatzy. And Chatzy and the shoutbox have limits, but allow for instant communication.
In my opinion, we should revert to our origins and stick to the singular thread, like we did on GTAF.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 9:53:32 GMT -5
Thats why I thought the idea of a thread like we had on GTAF would've been good but its never gonna compete with the convenience of shoutbox and chatzy so Im happy with Chatzy as a happy medium for me personally. I share the same views on this one, satisfied with the current set up
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Post by Fapulous on May 21, 2014 10:00:52 GMT -5
Shoutbox is easy to use when you don't have a mic, or just can't be arsed. I don't mind that there is a limit on the history (there is a way around that, kinda) as it's Shoutbox; it's usually just random chat anyway, you aren't missing out on anything. If what is being said in the Shoutbox is important, then it should be posted on the forum.
Not a fan of having to use two chats, I'd rather just go back to the Shoutbox.
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Post by Sugar Free Nos on May 21, 2014 10:12:43 GMT -5
Shoutbox is easy to use when you don't have a mic, or just can't be arsed. I don't mind that there is a limit on the history (there is a way around that, kinda) as it's Shoutbox; it's usually just random chat anyway, you aren't missing out on anything. If what is being said in the Shoutbox is important, then it should be posted on the forum. Not a fan of having to use two chats, I'd rather just go back to the Shoutbox. I agree with Pepsi.
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Post by xInfamousRYANx on May 21, 2014 10:49:17 GMT -5
I actually like the new chat. Remove shoutbox all together and just link to the new chat
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Post by Tismo on May 21, 2014 12:04:39 GMT -5
As long as there is a mobile version of whatever chat we use I am down with it. The sound notification in chatzy is a plus for me thou.
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Post by Biohazard Abyss on May 21, 2014 14:49:19 GMT -5
Chatzy is going to blow the shoutbox out of the water when we have our next meet due to the fact that it displays more history, it's a lot more convenient. Even simple things like the image-posting make it more convenient and comfortable to use. Especially when the shoutbox is active it's annoying to lose history and have to keep scrolling up and down if there is a ton of new messages in the feed.
I guarantee you if people would stop boycotting Chatzy, meaning everyone was on it, it'd be a whole lot more comfortable for people like Pepsi. The mobile version of Chatzy is also great, as some like me cannot even access the shoutbox at all on our mobile devices. I've said it many times before, with the amount of activity in the shoutbox it is not proficient, due to the fact that it's a shoutbox not a chatbox.
"A shoutbox, saybox, tagboard, chatterbox or chat box is a chat-like feature of some websites that allows people to quickly leave messages on the website, generally without any form of user registration. In their simplest form, shoutboxes are simply lists of short messages, possibly with information about their authors."
Shoutboxes are not meant for long-term, active chatting.
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Post by oMAXXIMUM RIDEo on May 21, 2014 16:03:38 GMT -5
That's not the purpose of a chat box, either. That's why the original thread has nearly 10,000 replies, because it never lost what we chatted about. The original intent of the shout box was for quick, unorganized chat. But everyone uses it like the main form of communication, rendering the forum, and its purpose, entirely pointless, and usually dead of all replies and postings.
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Post by Biohazard Abyss on May 21, 2014 16:09:15 GMT -5
Chat-boxes are for IM'ing, whether it be long-term or short-term chatting, Perc. It's also for random conversation which is why it cannot be used as an excuse for the forum being inactive. The forum being inactive is something that the members themselves have to change. Plenty of active forums have chatboxes.
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Post by oMAXXIMUM RIDEo on May 21, 2014 18:18:16 GMT -5
Chat-boxes are for IM'ing, whether it be long-term or short-term chatting, Perc. It's also for random conversation which is why it cannot be used as an excuse for the forum being inactive. The forum being inactive is something that the members themselves have to change. Plenty of active forums have chatboxes. Yes, but EVERYTHING is discussed in the shoutbox. From simple questions to forum chat to random discussions and everything in between. We even have threads for specific things, but instead of those being used they are instead being discussed in the shoutbox. Then regulars make complaints about the shoutbox and its lack of history, and wonder why information has to constantly be repeated to keep a simple conversation going. So yes, it is the fault of the forum's members, but that doesn't mean the shoutbox needs to be used for everything. Like I already said, just my opinion.
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Post by Exqlusive on May 21, 2014 18:37:29 GMT -5
I have a strong dislike for Chatzy. I've used it before to communicate to other groups of people and I just absolutely hate it.
It feels like a half assed attempt between the shoutbox, our forums and our thread at GTAF. IMO, If we needed a bigger group chat, Skype would've been a better option in terms of.. well.. everything.
We would be able to provide a private chat group with only approved people being able to come in, we would have unlimited chat log with the option of voice or even video conference calls if needed, instead of being in an XBL Party and having the issue of being disconnected or not being on the 'Box. And if required, you could start up a private conversation with someone, or lets say create one with just Admins + Mods without the "Check your PM" or "Check your XBL Messages" hassle that we all have had to deal with.
Plus, I'm sure everyone has Skype, everyone uses it to communicate to family members/friends, it's pretty much the "all in one" solution that lets us do all of this with 1 program, while still holding a form of anonymity over the web, and as an added bonus, they have both a program and an app for mobile devices that actually looks like people designed the damn thing instead of the hideous abominations such as Chatzy, TeamSpeak, Ventrilo, etc.
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Post by Biohazard Abyss on May 21, 2014 18:49:26 GMT -5
Chat-boxes are for IM'ing, whether it be long-term or short-term chatting, Perc. It's also for random conversation which is why it cannot be used as an excuse for the forum being inactive. The forum being inactive is something that the members themselves have to change. Plenty of active forums have chatboxes. Yes, but EVERYTHING is discussed in the shoutbox. From simple questions to forum chat to random discussions and everything in between. We even have threads for specific things, but instead of those being used they are instead being discussed in the shoutbox. Then regulars make complaints about the shoutbox and its lack of history, and wonder why information has to constantly be repeated to keep a simple conversation going. So yes, it is the fault of the forum's members, but that doesn't mean the shoutbox needs to be used for everything. Like I already said, just my opinion. I completely understand where you're coming from, Perc. The only solution would be to be rid of both the shoutbox and chatzy, but I'm very sure a lot would not approve of that course of action. Only way to to encourage people to post in more threads on here. I have a strong dislike for Chatzy. I've used it before to communicate to other groups of people and I just absolutely hate it. It feels like a halfed assed in between the shoutbox, our forums and our thread at GTAF. IMO, If we needed a bigger group chat, Skype would've been a better option in terms of.. well.. everything. We would have a private chat group with only approved people being able to come in, we would have unlimited chatlog with the option of voice or even video conference calls if needed, instead of being in an XBL Party and having the issue of being disconnected or not being on the 'Box. Plus, I'm sure everyone has Skype, everyone uses it to communicate to family members/friends, It's pretty much taken over MSN as the all in 1 while still able to hold a form of anonymity over the web. And please, no TeamSpeak, Ventrillo or any other form of chat, it's another hassle to get through for just 1 group of people and don't get me started on the eyesore designs most of these programs/web chats have. Something more private like Skype is not good for a public forum. Chatzy allows people to register extremely quick and join us in our chat so we can conveniently meet new faces since it's a website, not a more private chatting program. It basically has the openness of the shoutbox but it's way more effective due to it being a chatbox.
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Post by Insert-Coin-2-Continue on May 21, 2014 19:02:02 GMT -5
IRC master race checking in.
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Post by Exqlusive on May 21, 2014 19:08:51 GMT -5
ShoutBox + Introduce Yourself for new people - Skype for the people we already know + no need to continuously PM each other and asking to check them, just start another private chat with that group and you're done.
Let's be honest here, there's literally only a dozen or so people that regularly chat to each other, the shoutbox is the only thing keeping us in this forum, if not, we'd move back to the GTAF thread. If we were to go to a route that lets us communicate better, Skype would the next stepping stone. Chatzy is just half a step, and when we inevitably decide that Chatzy is not what we want to use in the long term, it's another move that's going to get users confused.
Let's keep things simple instead of over complicating things and creating a mess that will only turn users away.
1. Close the GTA:F Thread -> Link to this forum for anything relating our crew on the GTAF Forums - This move will not only free us from the GTAF Moderators - It will bring more traffic to our forums
2. This forum will be used for introductions with new members, general chitchat threads and the private section for mods and glitches
3. Shoutbox should be changed to a notice board instead (For example - "M0DIFI3D HIGH LIFE MEET - 24 MAY 2014 - 7AM PST" - and when you click the words written there, it would link you to the specific thread)
4. Move to Skype for our more useless shit, like talking and laughing - this would bring us closer since it would provide an easier platform to communicate within our dozen or so talkative members - I could start a conference call with Fap + Surface without being near my xbox and just for general talk - other members can do the same - while providing ourselves with privacy in regards to new members being able to snoop and read our chat - we could provide a more streamlined way to discuss issues without having to resort to constantly PM'ing each other - we could actually talk to each other instead of using the horrendous XBL Party system - we can communicate with PS3 members.
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